Custom subbing is one of the most unique releases in the scene. This is, since customizing ussually isnt allowed. Custom subbing is an exeption in this rule though, thats what makes it so unique. The scene rules are established to ensure the quality of releases in the scene. The difficulty of custom subbed releases is that they cant be controlled by the scene rules. Its impossible to check the quality of custom added subtitles. Off course, when subtitles are very bad it can be nuked. But there is a large grey frield between very bad and good subtitles.
Another problem of custom subbing is that these days subtitle websites offer a lot of subtitles, very quickly after a movie has been released. Also, at the time a DVDR/DVDrip is released, there can already be downloadable subtitles from a CAM, DVD Screener, TS or TC release. Dishonest scene groups could grap these subtitles and load them on the DVDR, and release it very quickly as their own. Off course this is a bad thing. Real custom subbing releasegroups are too late and can only release their version as a PROPER when the previous release was very bad. In addition, this all leads to bad quality scene releases. Apart from the quality, its also just newbish, lame and insecure.
The Custom SWESUB scene has suffered from these problems lately. This caused remarkable releases, with REAL.PROPER and REAL REAL PROPER tags, like: Deja.Vu.2006.PROPER.REAL.CUSTOM.SWESUB.NTSC.DVDR-CiNO. The rise of some dishonest Swedish custom subbing releasegroups has lead to a scene warfare, in order to stop this www-subs stealing. The groups which are mentioned in these scene NFOs are TEAFORTWO, 20620, GUEST, NoGRP. The original NFO and its responses are listed below.
Response.to.Scenenotice.To.ALL.DVDR.CUSTOM.groups.Especially.TEAFORTWO-WORRiEDNPiSSED
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This notice goes out specifically to the Swedish Custom dvdr group -TEAFORTWO, but also to the rest of the custom dvdr sub scene. Its not allowed to use www subs -meaning subs taken directly from the internet and not made by the group itself- in a custom subbed dvdr according to current scene rules. Yet groups such as TEAFORTWO get away with it?
Some people say that if the quality of the www subs is much better than any groupmade translation theyd watch it, trade it and support the group even though they are breaking rules! Ive heard many say "Well as long as the quality of the movie is flawless I have no problems with it". Well the problem is that this makes it too damn easy for unsecure/p2p and noobish groups to hit the scene with their unvalid releases.
Its too darn easy to get into the scene nowadays, and cause of the quite recent attention drawn to us its time for us to act. But unsecure groups, thats another story... *
The rules are there to be followed! If groups such as TEAFORTWO would quit their mocking with this simple rule, proper groups would have enough time to do a proper translation. Its also very easy to get away with this; if a group wants to, it can easily remove the http adress often located at the end of the movie and therefor make it a lot harder to identify if the sub is made by the group, or not. Why dont groups start by releasing proofs of that it is translated by the group, aswell as with the source sub?
A whole lot of people says "Its custom made, what the hell do you expect??" and I say "Some people create custom cars, and what do you expect out of them..?".
I know TEAFORTWO has tried regular,hardcore subbing. But the translations suck, which is another reason that I think traders and siteops has to act and rinse out the custom scene from these kind of groups. Either you translate whole dialouges with as proper and well educated language as possible, or you just fuck it. Why cant a release get nuked for "very.bad.translation"?
I know many sites that have banned TEAFORTWO, both I and a lot of my friends also boycott www.sub groups. I remember not long ago 20620 released a lot of releases, at first a promising group. But with the use of www subs, they fell flat. At least in my opinion. Much thanks to the lesser, attraction.. to them now.
Okay now Ive blabbed about quite some. My point is that, if we turn a blind eye on this simple rule. Well later start to ignore larger flaws and rulebreaks. And in the end well be no better than some random release at a fasttrack or bittorrent network. Its too easy to build up new custom groups, some regular off the street peer-to-peerer can easily by the use of a scene-involved friend join the scene, get leech and spread back to p2p. Thats the worst case scenario, and for those of you who thinks Im ridiculous. Just bugger off, proper groups makes proper releases and obey the rules. Rules are not ment to be broken, not when it comes to this kind of security level. I make this sound as if www.subs are the end of the scene, its not. But like I just wrote, well start to ignore larger flaws and rulebreaks in the future, if we dont act. Bah now I almost sound like some Communist...act!! For your motherland!
You get my point, if not then Ill send the red army at you.
* Im not holding TEAFORTWO responsible for anything else than breaking scene rules. So about the unsecure stuff, not meant for you. Noobish, yes that was meant for you.
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Response.nfo.about.CUSTOM.SWESUB.grps
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First of all, IMHO custom DVDR should be scene banned since they suck period! But since some sites and sceeners seems to want the crap here is my opion in this matter.
Who the fuck cares where the subs comes from? As long as it is good? You stupid fuck
refeering to some groups "steal their subs" on www pages. Why the fuck not? The most of the work is done.. Modify it so it becomes good if its not already good. It┤s ALLOWED to do so if u read the CUSTOM SWESUB rules that are accepted by all major grps at that time. So just becuase 1 or 2 groups make new rules who isnt accepted and say its the NEW rules it isnt so. Rules need to be accepted and sign by all major grps and since TEAFORTWO, 20620, GUEST, NoGRP is four of the biggest you should get a clue.
And since we are at it already:
You are bitching about subs and compare it to cars.. Can u be more stupid.........
Keep it up with your REAL CUSTOM AND REAL REAL PROPER CUSTOM and you will
soon get CUSTOM SWESUB scene banned. And I wont cry abit. Get back to p2p you
stupid kid and stay there. BTW since when did CUSTOM SWESUB grps have the right to steal all sources from all major NTSC grps? And you bitch about subs.. Stupid fuck!. Fuck OFF! The current accepted Rules is the same as the dvdr standards except for size. www-subs are allowed to use if they are ok, if not they should be modified. English subs should be kept if they are avalible. IF not it should be said so in the nfo. So nuke all invalid propers done with www-subs reasons becuase they are INVALID.. or even better SCENE BAN CUSTOM. STOP WASTING OUR TIME AND BW, You moron! You right with one thing though .. its to damm easy to enter the scene.. Just that a moron like you got in makes me sick. Over And Out!
//Ban.Custom.Crap 4Ever
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Response.to.Scenenotice.To.ALL.DVDR.CUSTOM.groups.Especially.TEAFORTWO-WORRiEDNPiSSED
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Okay, correct me if I am wrong, but it is okay to steal video/audio from other groups, but it isnt okay to steal a www sub? The whole custom scene in .se is affected by this damn double standard of morality. What gives you the right to steal a release in the first place and then have the cheek to accuse other groups of stealing? What about you people do something else instead of your credit whoring, release the subtitle as a ppf patch or something and let those people who have downloaded the ORIGINAL release "inject" this ppf patch and thus have the custom subtitle, or just release
the subtitle and let other people use whatever program is done to inject it into the video/dvdr. Then you can talk about NOT stealing subtitles from www. But of course, the best thing would be to scene ban all custom groups which are just simple thieves.
It is a simple matter of learning English and we wouldnt have to see your foul releases.
Just my $0.02, and as all scene notices, this is probably just as lame, but if at least one siteop bans custom subbed releases because of reading this, then the world would be a bit better place :-P
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Response.to.response.of.Scenenotice.To.ALL.DVDR.CUSTOM.groups.Especially.TEAFORTWO-WORRiEDNPiSSED
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I totally agree with you. The custom scene is fucked, its just as bad as the tv scene. Do it fast. Steal em, remake em, sell em as your own. Its like a bad asian market sometimes... What I was trying to point out, was the rule that TEAFORTWO always ignore. And that they should be banned, I guess I didnt make that clear enough...
Sure custom groups steal, its just as bad as www subs, or worse even. So get permission of the source group. Thatd make it a whole lot harder for new,noobish groups to hit the scene with their gay(no I dont mean happy) subbing and translations.
Making own subs, is what makes the custom scene. Any person can download a sub from some divxsite, sync it with source release and rar it again.
Now Im awaiting an answer from TEAFORTWO, cause you oughta have a reason why you keep breaking the rules...
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